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BOOMCAST #27 - 2024 ANNUAL HALLOWEEN SHOW
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Here it is! Our second annual Halloween Episode, full of Horror Trivia and good times! I sit down with the over Cinema Saviors Chad Weeks and Clint Chaffer and have a bloody good time talking horror films. I hope you have as great a time listening to it as I did recording it. Remember to subscribe to the show wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Tell a friend, it all helps.
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Boomcast. Hello everyone, welcome to the Boomcast, episode 27, a special one day late Halloween episode. Last year, I sat down with the Mirko movie guys, Chad Weeks and Clint Shaffer, for our first special Halloween episode. And this is our second, which means I suppose we will be doing this every year. This year, more horror movie trivia where we test our horror knowledge. I hope you enjoy this, and please tell a friend about the show. Like and subscribe. It all helps. Now let's do this thing.
SPEAKER_02Hello, gentlemen. How are we doing, John? Good to have you.
SPEAKER_01It's good to be here. Good to be here. I love, I assume we're talking movies. We are talking movies. All right. Very astute of you.
SPEAKER_00That's a good assumption. Good assumption. Yeah. You know, I I was sitting there thinking, Chad, you know, we always take like, you know, usually like most of July, August, September kind of we take off, right? So this is kind of our next season premiere here. Yes.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Exactly. Yeah, you're right. If we were tracking that sort of thing, this would be perfect. That uh to say this would be like season, I don't even know what season we'd be on right now, but it'd be like five or six, I'd assume. I'd assume so, yeah.
SPEAKER_00How long we've been doing this? I think yeah, you guys have been doing this a while. Yeah. It's been a minute. Yeah, yeah. You'd think well, I tell you what, this is this is gonna be a fun one here, John. We wanted to bring you back and uh and have a uh have a rematch. And uh and for those uh listeners out there that uh that don't recall, we had an episode last season where it was Chad versus John in in movie all right, movie trivia. The trivia thing, yeah. And and John completely just trounced Chad. John got all his questions.
SPEAKER_02You got all your questions and and my and some of mine that I couldn't get. So I'm back to revenge though, John.
SPEAKER_00Let's do it. Bring it on on this, what we're going to do to set this up a little bit, we will go through and we're gonna go through uh five questions apiece, and then we're gonna have a little conversation, a little intermission, you know, we might say, and then we'll end up picking it back up for another five questions to cap this uh episode off. So for those of you out there watching and listening, be sure to stick around, comment, like, make sure you subscribe, share this with some friends uh as well. Uh so we can uh we can keep doing this, you know, keep uh keep recording these things. Uh the other thing that I would end up throwing out there is as I deliver one of these uh questions, if the other one cannot get it, they are all multiple choice, the other one has the option to steal. So we have that.
SPEAKER_01Was it multiple choice last time? I don't think so. I don't believe so. I don't think it was. Oh, this so this this might be a piece of cake. You say, I don't even know. Do we need the multiple choice?
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna be a little flexing here, Clint, and say that I don't want the multiple choice right away.
SPEAKER_00Well, we're unfortunately these are already set. Okay so uh you know the powers of B handed them down to me and said this is what I gotta deliver. Okay, so all right, fair enough. Fair enough. Now, the thing is, I will give uh I will give you guys some categories that I'm gonna end up asking. So, Chad, yes, your category for this evening, because you don't have the same categories. Oh, so your category, your category for this evening, you only get one category, yes. Okay, all right. Your category is nineties horror films. Okay, I mean so reach back into the 90s and everything's gonna be in the in the 90s.
SPEAKER_02I'm honestly trying to think what nineties horror films would be, but uh I'm sure that it's right there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you'll pick them up. Okay. Uh and John, your your uh category unfortunately is just incredibly obscure horror. That's it. That's all I'm giving you. I won't lie. Wow, I don't know any I couldn't answer any of these questions or tell you any of the films on this list. This feels like the best of luck. And just as a as a reminder here, Chad, I do have a score here. Ooh, we got a point. Hey, okay. How do you how does John have a point already? This is on this is on the rounds here, Chad. So John won last round. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02You gotta get a point going. Okay, all right. So this so this the entirety of this is for one point. Okay, I got you.
SPEAKER_00Correct. Okay. So without any further ado, Chad, you have been selected to go first.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00So I'm going to uh going to ask uh ask you question or ask you the first question.
SPEAKER_02I can't tell you what kind of pressure there there is because John's got a what what sounds like a really tough one, and I've got what sounds like a really easy one. And now that just means that there's more pressure on me because if I do fail, then I'm really gonna feel lower in the snake's belly. But all right, continue, continue. I'm up for it. I'm up for it. Let's go.
SPEAKER_00All right, here we go. Number one, what is the nickname the police give the killer that Hannibal Lecter helps FBI agent Clarice Starling catch in 1990's Silence of the Lamb? Buffalo Bill. You didn't even need didn't even need the uh the multiple choice. All right.
SPEAKER_01I I would like to hear the multiple choice, though. Yeah, I would like to too as well. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00The Manhunter, the Night Stalker, Buffalo Bill, or Skinner. Hmm.
SPEAKER_01So those are all based on right, like Skinner from the X-Files, Manhunter was Thomas's first novel, right, with Lecter. What was the other one? The Night Stalker. The Night Stalker, the greatest TV show ever. With Darren McGavin. 70s. What TV show?
SPEAKER_02I didn't know about that. I was talking about the actual killer from from cat at Los Angeles.
SPEAKER_01No, I'm just saying that it's funny they got these answers from yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Cool. Okay. Well, that's that's one point for Chad. So uh starting off strong here. So uh so here we go, John. First question. The follow-up to prom night is considered a sequel, though has nothing to do with the events of the original. A prom queen is set on fire by accident. Thirty years later, she comes back as a demon and possesses an innocent teen. This 1987 film, whose beginning takes place in 1957. What is the correct title referred to as? We have the first one. Hello, Mary Lou, prom night two. Don't go in the house. We're going to eat you. Mirror, mirror two, Raven Dance. Dang. Um tough one.
SPEAKER_01Well, no, it's not tough. That's Mary Lou. And that's um, it's it's actually, I know what you're saying because that the the whole it's very carry inspired. It yeah, you know, it's very carry-inspired.
SPEAKER_02I've seen the remake, I believe, but I don't think I've actually seen the original. That was what was the original prom night. Well, no, I meant when was the original prom night? Like they did a remake in like the early 2000s, I think, and I and I remember watching that one.
SPEAKER_01It had to been like 83 or something. It was 83.
SPEAKER_02Something told me that the that the remake might even be 3D. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, I don't know about that, but I do know that this is all of these movies. The slasher thing through the 80s was you can't even count how many slasher movies came out in the 80s. Yeah. You know, that's where all the money was being made, you know. And uh the prom night actually, yeah, for the times, pretty popular, I think. I don't know about prom night two, but electric boogaloo was pretty popular.
SPEAKER_00Breaking two, prom night two, breaking two electric boogaloo. You know, Chad, I did start to watch that by the way. I didn't get uh didn't get into it too much, but I actually thought it paired up really well. They had breakdancing in the Olympics, so we should have watched it.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, we should have. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you guys gotta watch that, man. Yeah, it's on my list. All right. Question number two for Chad. What is the name of the movie about the Woodsboro murders in 1997 Scream 2? What is the name of the movie about the Woodsboro's murders in 1997's Scream 2? It is stabbed, that is correct. Yeah, man. We had Slasher, Shriek, and the Woodsboro Hurrow Horror on there. So all right, all right, two for two here. All right, John. Here you go. Some more uh obscure films here. Clive Barker is known to disown this adaption of a comic book. This involves a creature that's unearthed. He terrorizes an Irish countryside, then feeds on his victims. What film is this? Hellraiser 2, Bloodline, Rawhead Rex, Ghoulies, The Immortalizer.
SPEAKER_01John's gonna know this one. Yeah, it is Rawhead Rex. Is it really Rawhead Rex? That's what it is, yeah. And Rawhead Rex is I I I think it's a pretty good movie.
SPEAKER_02You have no business on knowing that the answer to that question.
SPEAKER_01It's uh it's it's it's it's cool. It's just different. It's just rawhead Rex. Rawhead Rex is pretty cool. That one's a lot of fun. I didn't know that Clive Barker disowned it, you know, um, because I thought it was I'd never read the comic book though. So I'd like to.
SPEAKER_02The name Clive Barker sounds really familiar, but I can't place who that is. What what why do I know that name so well? Well, you probably know him most for the Hellraiser okay, all right series. Okay, so he didn't do the Hellraiser.
SPEAKER_01He's an author, right? Yeah, there's a bunch of his stuff that's been adapted, but I think Hellraiser is the most famous.
SPEAKER_02All right. I would have uh I would have put money on Ghoulies, which is one of the most underrated horror movies of the 80s. I loved Ghoulies when I was a kid, right up there with critters.
SPEAKER_01I know, but you know it's wrong. What do you mean, ghoulies? You know what? Oh, I know the answer's wrong. So you just like that one?
SPEAKER_02I love that movie, yeah. I'm just glad that it made the cut for at least uh bringing it up as a multiple choice. I've never seen Ghoulies. Oh, you're kidding me, John. You'd love it. John, you'd love it. It's it's so campy and and fun. Yeah, it's ultimate 80s horror. I do like that stuff.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I do like that stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER_00All right. Question number three, Chad. Yes. Which actress is not in the Scream trilogy? Jenny McCarthy, Drew Barrymore, Jennifer Love Hewitt, or Sarah Michelle Geller.
SPEAKER_02It's either Jennifer Love Hewitt or Sarah Michelle Geller. Because I remember Jenny McCarthy was one of the opening ones, and so was uh Drew Barrymore was the original opening one. So Sarah Michelle Geller and who was the other one? Jennifer Love Hewitt. Yep. Uh well, if I'm gonna if I miss this one, John's gonna get it, because it's it's a 50-50 shot here. Not that you don't know it already, but I was trying to think. I would think that I would know that I would recognize Sarah Michelle Geller because I kinda you know Sarah Sarah Michelle Geller was uh I mean come on. She was in uh cruel intentions, and and god, I love that movie. Um I just I just have a feeling that she was one of the opening women in one of these in one of these screen movies. So I'm I'm gonna go Jennifer Love Hewitt.
SPEAKER_00See final answer?
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_00That is correct. Okay, all right. I believe Sarah Michelle Geller, if I'm not totally mistaken, I'd have to go back and look, but I think screen three, maybe she was in. Okay. So all right. Three for three here, starting out strong.
SPEAKER_01Hewitt was uh, I know what you did last summer. That was her franchise.
SPEAKER_02That's right. That's right.
SPEAKER_01Even though Sarah Michelle Geller was in it, but that was that was her franchise.
SPEAKER_02Okay, all right.
SPEAKER_00All right, John, here we go. I'm gonna struggle with this name, but I think I can get it here. So, question number three Dario Argento does a remake of this classic horror tale. This time, the central character is raised by rats and plays the organ. Which classic movie does he put his own twist on? Dracula, Hellraiser, the Exorcist, or Phantom of the Opera? Um, you did you did pronounce it correctly.
SPEAKER_01That is correct.
SPEAKER_00That's a win. That's a point for me, right?
SPEAKER_01There, right, right. I I'm pretty sure it's Phantom of the Opera. Um, the other ones, I those are correct. I'm pretty sure it's Phantom of the Opera. Gotta be, right?
SPEAKER_00You are correct.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Phantom of the Opera. Julian Sands, I think. I don't know if I've seen any any movie on these list at all.
SPEAKER_02The ones that John's getting you mean?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't know if I've even I don't even know if I've even ever watched Hellraiser. I don't think I ever have.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah. So Dario Jones is scary movies. He's an Italian filmmaker and he's done some really gruesome stuff. He's known for some very expressionistic and uh kind of experimental cinematography. You know. Um his stuff is great to look at, but it's on the disturbing side. Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, when you started talking about rats, I immediately went to uh Wilfred. Wilfred, right? Isn't that the Willard? Willard, there it is. Willard, all right, I was close with Big Ben. Yep. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Classic movies. So far, what what's been everybody's favorite movie if you had to pick out of all these? What's everybody gonna go with?
SPEAKER_02Well, I I do think that you know that we've talked a little bit about Scream, and I think Scream is probably probably the mo one of the most iconic. I know it's it's kind of cliche because it's got a lot of comedy in it, and it's uh but as far as like something that just really revolutionized the slasher films, I think that wouldn't really brought in a whole new generation of films and stuff. Uh we were watching Totally Killer last night, and it's like this is an absolute uh uh remake of Scream with time travel, basically is what it is. So so uh I I think that Scream is probably my favorite. Um, and I I don't I haven't given it as much respect as I should have when it was going on.
SPEAKER_01I think I'd have to agree. I mean Scream's a very clever movie. Um you know it's uh it's it's commentary on 80s horror movies, you know. And uh it's I I like it. It's not like one of my favorite movies or anything, but it's the things we've talked about so far. I think that's probably the the better of the films.
SPEAKER_00Are they one of the first ones or the first ones that did like the the stovetop micro uh stovetop popcorn? Because that's what I always think of when I think of stove.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Drew Barrymore making popcorn.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I don't know, like I don't know why, but it's like I never thought about I do remember stove, I do remember that though. Stovetop popcorn. Yeah, I remember that well.
SPEAKER_02I I think that's one of the biggest bait and switch movies I've ever seen. With with Scream starting off with Drew Barrymore as the first person there, and she's popping that popcorn. You think she's gonna be the star of the show, and then all of a sudden she doesn't make it out of the first scene. You know, that's that's that's incredible. And then they continue that with all the other gals that we talked about earlier.
SPEAKER_00I mean, it's put that bait and switch up there with like you know, executive decision.
SPEAKER_02Executive decision is another great great bait and switch. I forgot about that movie.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I that just traumatized me when I watched that the first time. So, you know, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Steven Seagal, you thought you were in the long haul with Steven Seagal, but no, no. This is a Kurt Russell movie.
SPEAKER_01I don't know why that movie pops up so much in my podcast. I we must have talked about Executive Decision half a dozen times. For some reason, it just keeps popping up. Um it's a great movie, yeah. It's a great movie. So I maybe maybe that's why. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Anyone that hasn't watched Executive Decision, watch Executive Decision because it is a great movie. I mean, maybe I don't know if it stains the test of time. I don't know if I went back and watched it today, if I'd love it as much as I did then. But back then it was like this movie's awesome, you know.
SPEAKER_01No, I watched it last year for my Steven Segal episode on my uh my podcast. And it holds up.
SPEAKER_00Is that the one I I'm maybe getting this mixed up, but is that the one where the guy's chewing on the straw at the end and that's how they they deactivate the bomb?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it is well that's stupid, but you know I just remember that like that thing has to close down right when he shoves that straw in there, you know? All right, Chad. Question number four. In order for his plan to work, John Doe, Kevin Spacey, had to be killed for having committed what deadly sin in 1995-7. Lust, wrath, envy, or vanity? Envy.
SPEAKER_02That is correct. I want to be you. Um what a what a great movie. I'm glad you brought that one up, though. I didn't know where you're going with with uh uh I can't even remember who you just mentioned, uh Kevin Spacey. I didn't even know didn't know where you're going, but then once you once you got there, it's like, oh yeah. Yeah, I love that. I love I love seven. Who who who directed that, John? You're gonna know it right off the top of your head. It is uh um David Fincher. David Fincher, yes, my goodness, what a great film. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_00All right, John, you ready for your question number four? Let's do it. A lesser-known slasher film from the 80s gives a Melrose Place photographer one of her first starring roles. She plays a teen who is initiated into a demonic fraternity that wants her blood. She attempts to fight this evil cult and survive. What movie is this? Madman, the dorm that dripped blood, the initiation, the burning.
SPEAKER_01I have zero clue. It sounds like the dorm that dripped blood, but I don't think that's it. I think the Melrose person is that Daphne Zaninga or whatever her name is. Um again.
SPEAKER_00Madman, the dorm that dripped blood. That's not it. The initiation, the burning. I don't think it's the burning either. The initiation. That is correct.
SPEAKER_01All right, all right.
SPEAKER_02Man, it's just a neck and neck here. It is, it is. Like I said, neck I all it takes is for me to choke once, and John's gonna have me.
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, you're you're on a roll here, so uh, I'm impressed with your your 90s uh you know, 90s film uh knowledge here so far. So we're gonna go in to number five.
SPEAKER_01Let me just say real quick, I had a thing for Daphne Zaninga or whatever her name is. I don't I don't know who she is. I I can't she was in Say Anything with uh John Um oh what's his name? Cusack. Yeah, John Cusack. Remember Say Anything? Oh, yeah, I remember Cuscan the boom box over his head and all that. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But I don't remember her. I remember John Cusack.
SPEAKER_01I I don't remember Yeah, she was the girl, and um Okay. I don't know, there's something about her. She was different than a lot of the other she wasn't blonde for what's one. She's a brunette, right? She's a brunette, you know, and it was just some kind of wholesome quality about her. I don't know. I just like I just liked her.
SPEAKER_02I love John Cusack. Let's throw that out there because everything he's in is uh uh gross point blank is one of my all-time favorite, like just sit back and and casually watch films. I that is so clever and so great. Uh the way he talks to Jeremy Piven, uh, you know, where he's uh uh I joined the military, I became a uh a contract killer, and now that's what I do for a living, or whatever. He you know that monologue there. It's like that's awesome. That is just cool. And he's like, All right, cool. And everybody he tells everybody that wouldn't and also is it mini driver that's the the love interest in there? I think it's mini driver.
SPEAKER_00I think yeah, I think I think you're right. I just watched this movie last year.
SPEAKER_02year right I want more mini driver I love her I absolutely adore her uh uh all the one uh uh will goodwill hunting her role in there it's perfect perfect she's really good in that yeah yeah Cussack chooses good stuff yes he's done a lot of really good stuff he has yeah I don't I I like him I'm just not a big fan of his sister yeah you you've said that before you hate his sister yeah Joan she just she kind of I don't know she just pings my ears the wrong way well I I think that's a good way to put it is because uh like her the way she talks I could see it being a little offensive you know kind of like the way I find uh Kyler Murray offensive the way he talks and the way he looks and the way he runs and everything so I could see I can to be fair to be fair I'm sorry to be fair uh women have uh a more they're more likely to be tap typecast into certain roles you know and she just has the wacky girlfriend you know or the it's the lead's best friend she does have that and that's that's that's what they cast her in at least guys have a more range that they get cast but a lot of the actresses once they play and and do a good job in one particular type of role that's that's that's it. Yeah I don't you know I don't know of any movies that I've ever seen her as the leading role I don't know if I've seen many movies where it wasn't John Cusack starring and him bringing her along and that's you know unfortunately she does play a very similar role every time and she does do a great job at it.
SPEAKER_00So I guess just to throw that out there. She's got comedy chops for sure. All right number five here John this crazy Hong Kong cannibal film from the 80s a group of tourists on an expedition in the wilderness falls prey to a group of radical man eaters. It's a spoof but it delivers heavily on the gut munching sequences what is the title of this spoof zombie Dr.
SPEAKER_01Butcher MD Evil Dead Trap We're Going to Eat You I thought you were going one way and then you went another and it's a is it is it a foreign film or is it it says this crazy Hong Kong cannibal film okay from the 80s yeah I think it's um we're going to eat you um that is correct is that right that is what's a spoof off of John though like I feel like I I think it's a spoof of a j a certain genre okay you know I don't think it's a spoof anything particular it's just a it's just that it's a gory it spoofs the gory stuff. You know how the like Peter Jackson was doing that for a while with you know some of that early stuff he was doing Peter Jackson way over the top oh yeah Peter Jackson bad taste um dead alive those are early Peter Jackson stuff that's really really good but so over the top it's it's pretty crazy.
SPEAKER_02See I remember I I've heard tell of a film that was outlawed for a while because they they had to prove that the that the actors were were really alive. I don't remember what it was but it was that was a cannibalism one too wasn't it yeah it was called it was called cannibal holocaust that's it that's it that's it yes exactly that's what I figured when Clint was going down this road I'm like I want to pause because I bet John doesn't need the the uh multiple choice and I knew you're gonna come up with that one but it it we that wasn't it and that was you're right though they did have the the producer had to prove that the uh actors were still alive he was held in custody for a while but but but the movie is it's pretty disturbing you know that the people are alive but they do actually kill animals in it.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah you know so that's another thing that turned people off from that movie.
SPEAKER_02I don't think I would watch it yeah I again I watch it yeah yeah it was one of those things that like uh I've it's been on my list but also I just I just don't know if I need to see something like that. You know what I mean? Like yeah. Well it's not great it's not a great movie. But it's one but but like the the the the the backstory to it makes it a little bit more alluring like oh it's outlawed.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah now I don't even when they were able to put banned by so many countries that was a they were probably shit shaking their fist like yes yeah ban a second yes exactly yeah yeah is that a genre in itself like cannibalism like is that like body it's a subgenre yeah yeah okay not a bit like Eli Roth did one you know uh what was that called the green what is that called he did it about 10 years ago it was a cannibal movie uh I think the green green inferno green inferno I don't know that one yeah right basically same thing a bunch of people go into the jungle where they don't belong you know and get chopped up and eaten you know yeah yeah uh this isn't a a uh this isn't a cannibal movie necessarily but uh it kind of reminds me of uh apocalyptic uh apocalypto uh have you see you've seen that one for sure right the that one is one of the best like have you seen this one Clint yeah that's the one uh like what is Serpentine run right so you don't get yes exactly exactly right you zig zig when you should should or is you know you went ran straight it's like run back and forth yeah that movie was incredibly disturbing and but but I also feel like it uh it was uh it was a better film like it's just a really good film in general um it is really good yeah it's a very it's a very early digital film it's one of the first major productions it was digital yeah is that on the Mel Gibson directed yep wow yeah yep that's what I thought yeah if you watch it today you can kind of see that it's uh a little digital um the same as like um who are some other was uh collateral Michael Mann did collateral oh collateral really early digital film when they were just moving to digital you know and the other two that stand out is uh Tack of the clones you know digital and Rodriguez did once upon a time in New Mexico like those four films were like really early adopters of digital technology you know and um some of them hold up better than others but they're all you know well everyone cinema moves forward yeah everyone that you mentioned right there are pretty pretty solid entries so I think collateral is one that I I need to revisit just because I love that movie haven't seen it in forever so it's a great it's a great movie and it's got a look that actually the digital actually kind of helps it it's got this weird metallic feel you know it's very silver and blue you know and it works well for that movie. It's Tom Cruise's Tom Cruise's hair yeah you know yeah it's uh it's a it's a good movie for sure.
SPEAKER_02Yeah I tell you what like Tom Cruise is one of those guys that I I can't uh I can't fangirl enough about him because anything that he's in it's like oh yeah I'm gonna watch it even like the the mummy that he was in is like yeah this is gonna be terrible but I'm gonna watch it because it's Tom Cruise and he's gonna he's gonna put on an awesome show.
SPEAKER_00How do you feel about Tom Cruise John okay he's a great actor I mean we talked about this I think on the show on my show when you guys were my guests uh we were um we were talking about Denzel versus Tom Cruise or something I think he brought up um tom cruise the I mean the good thing the thing about Tom Cruise is he gets his pick of the best scripts that's true you know he's one of he's one of those guys he's like Tom Hanks and Denzel DiCaprio they get the pick of the best scripts floating around so they get their first and then if they pass then it kind of goes down the line to the other actors on the next tier you know um but he's been producing for a long time then the Mission Impossible films he produces as well and I like those movies a lot the Mission Impossible those are those are really solid movies I think I just watched the latest one which I didn't realize it was going to be a I didn't know as a half like a part one yeah one aspect there but uh absolutely incredible I mean great movie it still holds up I mean like they've kept that franchise going uh where they're all high quality films right yeah um the one thing that I'd say about Tom Cruise that I think that I don't know I just the more I have uh have I guess learned about him on how he acts on set and things of that nature he just seems like he always takes care of everybody that he's working with like he seems like he just has a passion that he always he cares about everybody on that set. At least that's how it seems like it it feels like which just is awesome to me.
SPEAKER_02He's got a good reputation yeah we definitely definitely talk about this on your show because now I remember remember that conversation where we talked about him on set and stuff. So yeah yeah so so Jill John before we talk about your movie and I know uh I just want to know what what when you because I know you're a big horror fan what are your favorite like uh your favorite genres of of horror what do you would is there anything particular you seek out I do have a soft spot for the 80s slasher oh yeah I figured it was about that yeah not that they're not that they're great but I I appreciate like the the independent uh I don't know the independent just just making it happen you know and I mean like the early stuff that the like the low budget stuff give me give me an example so throw something out there evil dead oh yeah evil dead of course evil dead yeah for sure it's super low super low budget but look what they were able to do you know the first couple Friday 13ths you know were like that they didn't really start having money till maybe like number four you know um but yeah those are solid franchises you know I like those um but I gotta say I'm really getting into the found footage thing you know um I just love it because it's it's newer and some and these are a lot of independent people who are just running out and shooting movies you know and some of them are really good some of them are crap but that's you know that's the same with big budget movies.
SPEAKER_00Yep you know on the on the found film side is it easier to shoot a movie in a found film style like where you're not worrying about like cameras on gimbals and things because it seems like it's all just handheld stuff but I'm I'm sure like there's got to be something else to that right yeah I think I think the trick with a found footage movie is the concept the concept has to be solid right the the actual production yeah it's not as complicated.
SPEAKER_01As a matter of fact you want it as simple as possible yeah you know because that works in its favor. You know there's nothing complicated like about um paranormal activity you know and that was extremely effective and the uh the stripped down nature of it and the immediacy of it of the camera being the point of view of the character you know it it it is different. It's got a different feel and I I like it. You know I like it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah I echo that John I I absolutely love it. Um I think that we're getting to a point where it's almost making these films easier to make because there's more access to cameras and you always have like you can do this more often you can switch from one camera to another like I think in uh paranormal activity two or three or whatever it was where they're just like going back and around the house and they've got the uh I think it's like a connect for uh uh Xbox 360 setup so you can see I think that's two but yeah I thought it was yeah and so like there's there's more technology to go with whereas one of the complicated things I saw with like like VHS and uh yeah uh yeah and and and Blair Witch project you have to like constantly be making up an excuse as to why you're keeping the camera on and usually it's like there's a light on it you know what I mean uh but I I feel like I feel like very seldom do they really miss in my opinion.
SPEAKER_01Like I mean like even I I think uh what's the one that about the well okay it's the acting I mean it's it's it's all about the acting if if the if the actors aren't there it's not it's not gonna work. Oh yeah yeah and that's probably I mean that's yeah yeah that's probably a much bigger thing because they really have to carry it there because you don't have the the makes you break the show it's a show yeah yeah exactly I just watched a I watched an interesting film about six months ago called Unfriended that is a kind of another yes um you know what I'm talking about I do it's found footage but in a different way it's all it's all webcam on a computer you know and I watched it because I I was toying with the idea of doing a film like that myself and then I watched that and I said well what I was wanting to do has already been done because it was very similar to the idea that I had but I you know people are just getting really creative yeah I get you know all this digital technology is making things really like VHS I thought that was pretty cool when it first came out you know um and I think they're effective I do I like the VHS franchise I do too has anyone done a film that uses only uh like uh NES cams and like around the house security cameras well yeah paranormal activity too would have been yeah I mean probably yeah I'm sure there are you know I mean everybody's using all this new technology to make narrative films and so you got a lot of different stuff coming out it's it's it's really cool it's just a it's a new creative kind of frontier with all this new technology you know and I'm I'm all for it I could see like a fun play on that because you would have blind spots right that you could always have like you know creepy things happening so I'll tell you one of my favorites is who directed that it's called the bay and it's kind of a higher budget found footage movie I've seen it like half a dozen times. It's really good uh what is that director? Barry Levinson Barry Levinson who uh has been kicking around Hollywood for a long time and he did a movie called the bay about some mutated um some kind of mutated little animals in the bay that was it's a very it's complicated but it's it's good. It's really well I would recommend The Bay a lot.
SPEAKER_02I've seen it many times it's a great movie um couple movies that come to mind like using this technology and stuff uh one of them is horror and it's the host uh have you seen that one not the not the foreign film but the one where it's just literally a zoom call and it was made yeah I've only seen the trailer I haven't seen the movie it is super good it's literally like they do a seance during COVID time so they're all like isolated and and release something. Yeah it was super cool like really and it's a pretty easy watch I mean I think it's like you know hour and 20 minutes something like that so it's pretty pretty light. And the other one is uh missing I think it's called missing and it's not yeah I haven't yeah I haven't seen that do it it's not it's not using just Zoom but it's using Zoom and like she's using her phone to or her computer to text message and using her kit her cell phones and things like that and she's bringing in all these different she's FaceTiming people and things like that and just like trying to find out what happened to her mom I think or something like that and unlocking all these stories. It is and it's it's like one twist after another and it's all this just this girl sitting in her her room trying to track down her mom who went on vacation in some some foreign country and stuff it's super clever super well done and it's it's wild how they just keep pulling you into the story and keep the keep it moving along by using different forms of technology. Love it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah I'm all about it yeah I think it's great. Chad what is your favorite horror genre?
SPEAKER_02So I'm I'm I'm glad you asked because my I'm I want to say that my favorite is probably vampire movies. I am a sucker for a good vampire movie but I also think that it's one of the the slimmest versions out there because there's just there's a lot of bad ones and I don't think there's a there's not a ton of good vampire movies I guess is what I'm saying. And and and I really love that like that specific genre.
SPEAKER_01I always want you know as a kid that's like if you're gonna dress up for Halloween you want to be a vampire because they're the coolest you know I mean they're suave they're superhuman but also they're just cool you know um but I well they just don't seem to be doing very good on that side of it like your favorite ones are when they pair up or team up with werewolves yeah actually actually underworld I loved underworld so that that franchise I think was pretty pretty solid I know that it kind of went off the rails but that was a good werewolf versus vampire one fantastic had a great time yeah those are fun even like vampire yeah I know what you were thinking I know what you're thinking but but no well but no I just I love those I love those uh those type of vampire movies like the just I don't know where they can be you know they can glamour yeah you know they can be the cool like right yeah I don't know there's something something cool about that well there's a couple movies one is this new Salem's lot that just came out on Max which I have not seen I have not seen it either I've heard mixed reviews um I've heard mixed reviews but the one I'm really excited about is um Robert Edgers is doing a remake of Nosferatu yes I've seen that or I've seen that advertised that looks and he's he's a really he's a good filmmaker. Robert Edgar's a good filmmaker you know um what's he done The Witch The Lighthouse the Northmen yeah and then this one where um the guy that played Pennywise yes is is is Nosferatu I think yes but but I love Nosferatu as a movie like even though it's made in like 1922 I think still think it's a great great movie.
SPEAKER_02Yeah I've got uh I've got all day tomorrow and I'm finally gonna watch it I bought that movie but I've never watched it because I feel like it's one of the movies that I have to be in the right mood for uh because it's from 1920 you know um but tomorrow I've got all day and that's what I'm planning on doing.
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SPEAKER_00Here uh here is mine. You guys know you know it's no secret that I'm not a horror film fan just in general uh probably because I don't know I'm I'm a scaredy cat when it comes to horror films. But uh I would say my favorite for sure in this genre would be uh would be zombies. Zombie movies would be my my top go-to 28 days later 28 weeks later uh you can even throw like um uh what um what's Zach Snyder's one that he just did that I actually kind of enjoyed I said the Vegas one yeah yeah the Vegas one right like I can get I can have fun with with with those movie or something like that I forget yeah and and I know like they can get terrible reviews and I can still like thoroughly enjoy them I remember what was the one like where was it Warm Blood or Warm Blooded or something like that where it was kind of like a fun little play like where zombies were still somewhat alive right or Zombie Land is another one that I absolutely love Zombie Land is is is the the the ultimate level there but no I can I can see his face he played Beast in uh X-Men First Class uh H O U name I can't think of his name though um but yeah it's something like that uh warm bodies warm bodies warm bodies warm bodies yeah yes yeah like I I like any play on on zombies and then of course like if you go to like uh Sean of the dead right that's another uh another fun one that I liked and uh and then what what's the one where they're in the mall why am I struggling is that not yeah dawn of the dead dawn of the dead yeah yeah yeah that that was like that's like you know advising the video game was based on that one of my favorite video games so yeah I I I like I like zombie movies a lot well let's hear about your zombie movie John because uh that brings us right into your latest project yeah I um starting uh it starts a week from today actually I'm right in the middle of doing final what am I doing now I'm f finalizing wardrobe for everyone um I hired my effects artist um it's a pretty cool film it's it's designed to be well it's one of those movies where everybody's trapped in a like a barn um like a big expansive barn and trying to but the cool thing about it is is that they're trying to there's there's lab workers in it who escaped the whole the thing starts with a a gas leak at this uh government facility you know and some people escape and then it's these three people who escape the lab trying to figure out how it could happen you know and there's so there's like a little mystery thing within it you know and I don't have the budget or the time to do some gigantic zombie film yeah right so I had to scale it down to the resources that I had but I'm getting really good feedback on the script everybody's real excited about it so yeah I figure everybody every filmmaker should try their hand at zombies at least once I'm surprised that you haven't done a zombie movie yet John because again I feel like that's kind of a sweet spot for you too so I've had zombies in some films but I've never made a zombie movie so yes so in your opinion when you're putting this together what is the hardest things because it always seems like zombies are very challenging right whether it's you have to have a horde of people or whether it's the makeup or trying to make these people look like this but what what what do you see as the hardest challenge when trying to to shoot a zombie movie?
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SPEAKER_01For one thing, trying to come up with something, a story that hasn't been told yet. I mean, that's the hardest part, you know. And then the effects make up, you know. I mean, that's time consuming. Yeah. And I think we've only got eight days to shoot this thing, so um, I would say the and the effects work takes a while, you know, it takes a while to get that stuff right. So I I tried to scale back on that as much as possible. So there's no like zombie hordes. There's only like maybe seven or eight zombies in the whole thing, you know. But um I think I've come up with something that is different because I wouldn't make it if it was just some copycat zombie movie. Yeah. I'm just not in I'm not interested in that, you know. But I I I have a a twist on it that I think that you know that I that I can get excited about.
SPEAKER_02So do you do you have do you have a do you have a uh an effects team, a makeup team that does this, or how how does the makeup work? Because that's gotta be the yeah, you mentioned that that's probably a time-consuming part, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's okay.
SPEAKER_01So a lot of facts that you yeah, and uh Yeah, I've scaled down the actual gore to just a few key moments because if the audience just has a few key moments of something that's repulsive, that carries a lot of weight through the entire film. You know, I don't need a bunch of effects through the whole film as long as I can get those few right, you know. So I'm pretty excited to get started on it. Yeah. And did you write all yourself? I wrote it like 12 years ago. Um, I wrote it in the zombie craze of the 2010s when everybody was doing zombie films, you know, the absolute height of the zombie thing, you know. So every independent filmmaker was making zombie movies. So I wrote one, you know, and I've been sitting on it all this time, and then I decided to, you know, might as well just make it. So I'm gonna make it.
SPEAKER_02All right. My my big question on the zombies how fast are your zombies?
SPEAKER_01It's interesting you should say that because I have both. Okay, you got runners. When someone's initially infected, they're crazy zombies, right? Yes. Then you kill them, then they come back as slow zombies.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so you have rules to your zombies. I love it. I love yes, I have both. Yes, okay.
SPEAKER_00I wondered because those are so that's a big decision right there, really. Well, and that sounds realistic, right? If you get infected, you still have you know adrenaline and things of that nature that would be running through, so like you would be faster, stronger, right? So I like that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, um, so that's one of my twists on it, you know. So uh we'll see. We'll see. It's it should be a good time.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I apologize if we just gave away a spoiler for at one point where there is a zombie that gets shot, you think he's dead, and then he comes back.
SPEAKER_01That's okay. Like, I don't know if your audience is that big to like blow the whole thing, yeah. Or mine. I can say no, my audience isn't this big either. Yeah, so I've got no power. It's fine. Well, you know, some some some filmmakers like really are like precious about their stuff like that, you know. And I mean, come on, I mean, the audience that you're trying to reach has never heard of you or your work, yeah. You know, uh you just are trying to keep it secret from your your friends and neighbors, you know. I mean, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, John, I was just gonna throw out there that you know, if you ever make a sequel and you give us a little heads up, I know two guys that would just be awesome zombies. So, you know, free free of charge, you know, just roaming around bumping into things. So I'm bumping into things.
SPEAKER_01It's uh I leave it open for a sequel.
SPEAKER_02There you go. There you go. Perfect, perfect, perfect. So when when when can we expect when can we see expect to see this, John?
SPEAKER_01Well, I I shot another film in um September called Night Calls, which was kind of a 90s style thriller.
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SPEAKER_01And then I have this film. So I'll be editing through the winter on these films, and I think I'm also doing another improv film this winter. So uh it usually takes about a year. Usually takes about a year. Okay.
SPEAKER_02And another thing's Halloween.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02That was that's perfect.
SPEAKER_00All right. Well, with that, I think we need to transition back and wrap up our last five questions. Oh, we tied five to five. It is, it's five to five. And that that's this is this is impressive. So uh so we're gonna we're gonna kick this off again. So Chad, all right, number six. Six Which 1990s movie is not about aliens seeking to kill humans? Okay, independence days or independence day, the X-Files, Spawn, or Species.
SPEAKER_02Spawn. Spawn isn't an alien movie. Spawn is uh is uh uh is that Jamie Foxx? I know it's uh it's uh John Lugizamo as the violator, uh, but yeah, spawn is not is not a uh alien movie.
SPEAKER_00No, he was raised up from the depths of hell, right?
SPEAKER_02And yeah, Todd McFarlane. Back in the Todd McFarlane image when an image was first created. Everybody should have a spawn one in their collection.
SPEAKER_00I do not have one yet. I should because they're like widely available, like in the 9.8, pretty easy.
SPEAKER_02Yep, signed by Todd McFarlane for 120 bucks, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02Every 90s collection needs they need those and they need the X-Men One uh uh covers. So anyway, sorry.
SPEAKER_00Chad, maybe I I'm thinking back, maybe I'm just made yours too easy. Maybe I just totally totally skewed the wrong direction here. I think you underestimated me here a little bit. So well, I mean, after that first performance, I only had one data point to go from. So, you know, yeah. Trend line was not good for you.
SPEAKER_02On on that subject, though, that that last multiple choice, species was a it was a wildly underrated 90s film, too. I loved that one. That was the one where like it was the woman predator alien type of thing. Yeah, yeah. So loved that film.
SPEAKER_01I think I think I think young men liked it because of all the boobage. I mean, that's uh I mean it was it was front and center in that movie. Yes, exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Touche. All right, John number six. Robert England is always known as the evil supernatural villain. This film, which falsely advertises itself as a slasher, gives him an early role in his younger days. This is more backwoods than in the house. Instead of supernatural elements, there is an abduction. What film dis depicts him in an unusual light? Slashed dreams, evil Christmas, eaten alive, dance macabre on the top.
SPEAKER_01Um, it's gotta be the first one because I know what the other three are. Um, however, if I'm not mistaken, there's more than one title for this movie. Um I think that yeah, Slashed Dreams is was a a release. Um but I think the original title for this was called Sunburst. And uh I'm pretty sure.
SPEAKER_02What were the multiple choice again? Just before I mean, like I'm sure John's right here, but I just I've never heard of it. He was okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Slashed Dreams, Christmas Evil, Eaten Alive, Dance Macabre. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um Dance Macabre is a Stephen King book that's pretty good. It is? You know, it's it's a nonfiction book about uh about the horror in general.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01It's an early book. Okay. Dance Macabre's an early book. All right. Eaten Alive, I thought was about alligators, but I could be wrong about that.
SPEAKER_00Um Chad, did we just find a Stephen King book that you're not aware of?
SPEAKER_02Well, it's it's he said also said nonfiction, so I'm assuming it's uh it's like about the art of writing, uh something like that, or whatever.
SPEAKER_01So no, it's it's it's a commentary about horror in general. Movies, books. It's a pretty it's a pretty good book. It would it came out like right before the stand. It was in that era. See, stand the stand is an early, it was an early book. The stand is probably my favorite.
SPEAKER_02Uh yeah, yeah. That that uh oh uh you said something about alligator movies. Here's another uh another little tidbit. Crawl is the best alligator movie that I've ever seen. It is famous, fantastic. It is so good, John. Especially like right now, when we talk about these hurricanes and stuff like that, it's very relevant. With yeah, Crawl was really, really, really good. Really, really good.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, um alligator movies are kind of a uh a little subgenre movie, yeah. Uh subgenre into themselves, you know. Um, there's quite a few little zit gyms in that yeah, the alligator movies.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we wouldn't Lake Placid be in that one, yeah. That was Lake Placid, yeah. Yeah, Oliver Platt and uh Gleason, Brendan Gleason, and uh the world's largest crocodile or alligator, I don't know, whichever one they chose.
SPEAKER_01And the original alligator, I think John Sayles directed it. That's a good movie, you know. I've heard a really good movie.
SPEAKER_02I've heard of that one, I've never seen it, but yeah. Yeah, Betty White would be in Lake Placid, too.
SPEAKER_01Yep, Betty White was in that. Yep.
SPEAKER_00All right, Chad. Number seven. Who was very effective as a serial killer, Daryl Lee Cullum in 1995's Copycat? Jacob Dillon, David Arquette, Woody Harrelson, or Harry Connick Jr.
SPEAKER_02Man, yeah, you just just talked me up, and now I have no clue about copycat. So uh so give me one more time.
SPEAKER_00Jacob Dillon, David Arquette, Woody Harrelson, Harry Connick Jr. And this is and but give me the question again. Who was very effective of serial killer Daryl Lee Cullum in 1995's copycat? Okay, one more time on the names. Jacob Dylan, David Arquette, Woody Harrelson, Harry Connick Jr.
SPEAKER_02I just feel like if it was Woody Harrelson, I'd know it. Um I'm kind of a fangirl for Woody Harrelson. Harry Connick Jr. I probably wouldn't know it because I can't stand him. I just don't like the way he talks. Uh I really want to say David Arquette here, and that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but like I he was big in the 90s. I don't know who Jacob Dylan is. Uh I'm gonna go David Arquette. Final answer?
SPEAKER_00Final answer. You are incorrect.
SPEAKER_02Missed it. Johnny.
SPEAKER_00So we can now feel it. To John Wesley Norton, who we know knows it's not David Arquette. So you're down to uh down to 33% here. Yeah, you know what?
SPEAKER_01David Arquette or Harry Connick Jr. It would be a complete guess on my part, and I don't want to win by just a guess. Uh fact is I do not know who like I'm I'm I think I can picture like the poster, you know, but I can't see any names on the poster. Yeah, I can almost picture the poster too, but I have no yeah, I'm gonna say I I'll say um I'll say Harry Connig Jr. just because that seems the least likely. Yeah, yeah, right. The rom com guy you would and you would be correct.
SPEAKER_02Go figure.
SPEAKER_01I I kind of thought that because if he's on the list, it's such an oddball, it's such a such an oddball actor to throw in there with all the other ones, you know. Um, I don't need that point though, okay? Because I did not know.
SPEAKER_00Oh, no, no, you're getting that point. You get it right. Unfortunately, that's the rules here. So all right. Number seven. You will only relate to this if you've seen a film called The Cold. And I will give a little hint, it was also aka the game. I've seen that when I was looking this thing up. In this movie, mutated spiders the size of trucks terrorize a lone community. A group of citizens arm themselves to deal with this menace. Clips of this film are featured in the director's later effort, The Cold. What is the name of this movie? They, Monsters A Go-Go, Carnage, The Giant Spider Invasion.
SPEAKER_01The Giant Spider Invasion is the only one that I've actually heard. I know it's not Carnage. I don't think it's Carnage. That'd be the other one that I would think it was. I'm just gonna go with the Giant Spider Invasion. Um, well, before you say yes or no, is it that's not the original title, just like a title that or is this the original title?
SPEAKER_00So this was this is the original title, but it was apparently featured in this other movie, like he's shamelessly plugged this film that's what you're saying, okay in the movie The Cold aka the game.
SPEAKER_02Well, it was like when you're watching pulp fiction in hot hostile type of thing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, what year was it? Uh it does not give me a but I want to say when I looked it up, I think it was 75, maybe was it Giants? Spider Invasion.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it. I'm pretty sure that's it, the Giant Spider Invasion. Um I know it's the director was Bill Rebane. Rebane. Yeah, not familiar. But uh yeah, that's I'll go with that. Alright.
SPEAKER_02That is correct. I would have confidently said they, and I'm not sure why, but they sounded right.
SPEAKER_01Well, they is a movie about giant, it's a giant ant movie, but it's in the 50s.
SPEAKER_02All right, that's why I'm like, I'm like, I would have confidently said they're 56, 57.
SPEAKER_01So I knew, you know, it wasn't that one.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01Um, yeah. And I think if there was a movie called Carnage, I would know it. So yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00All right, Chad. Number eight. You are you're playing from behind now. Yep, yep. And with that steal, you're playing from behind from two points. So, I mean, this is yeah, that was a big swing there. Even though John tried to give that point away, but you know, still not happy about that. Okay. Which film features characters Mickey and Mallory Knox? Oh.
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SPEAKER_02I know what it is. It's uh Juliet Lewis. Yeah, it's Juliet Lewis and uh and uh the guy that I just mentioned in the last one. Your boy.
SPEAKER_01Your boy.
SPEAKER_02Yes, exactly. Uh I just literally just mentioned him, said I fangirl over him, and now I can't think of his name. And Natural Born Killers is what it is. Robert Downey Jr. is also in that movie. Uh Tommy Lee Jones.
SPEAKER_01That's a great movie. It is.
SPEAKER_02That is a great movie. Who did you who did you say you said somebody else in there? Uh Tommy Lee Jones. Who is it?
SPEAKER_01Tommy Lee Jones.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I don't remember him in there. Who is that?
SPEAKER_01He's the warden. He's the warden. Don't you remember?
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then and her dad was uh was the guy that that has a really abrasive type. He was in Caddyshack. I can't think of his name either. I'm sure you remember. Uh yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, you're talking about Rodney Dangerfield. Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, that's a weird role for Rodney Dangerfield. It was awesome, though. It was awesome. Yeah, yeah. What a great movie. Yeah. Yeah, it is a really good movie.
SPEAKER_00All right. Number eight, John. There were many Italian copycats of The Exorcist from 1973. One of the films is accused of depicting events from The Exorcist in every scene. The plot line is identical as well, involving a woman who gets possessed by the devil the same way. What is the correct title? Beyond the door, Kathy's Curse, The Child, Exorcism.
SPEAKER_01That is correct. He's a machine. I mean, they're they're they're right about the the copycat thing. I mean, the X a lot of people were copying that thing. And the Italians were they were kind of known for that, right? Ripping off ripping off Hollywood movies.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, you were so that was a big thing. Even the Western, like the spaghetti westerns and stuff like that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. You know, Italian cinema, even though it's good though, it's good. Yeah. But uh they were always aping off of stuff that was made in Hollywood, you know. Um but that was the 70s, right? It was the 70s, that film, when they were still taking horror kind of serious. It's before the camp really got going in the 80s, you know, because there was so much camp that came in. In the 70s, things were taken pretty seriously, like the omen, you know. I mean, the they were horror was kind of like taken a little bit more seriously, you know. Um, but yeah, it's yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_02The the the omen is one that uh I watched when I was a kid, and I'm I I started re-watching it uh recently, and that's still that's still a pretty good film as well. I haven't I haven't finished it, but it what I've seen is really good.
SPEAKER_00That's a good movie.
SPEAKER_02Um have you seen the first omen, the new one?
SPEAKER_01I haven't seen the ones now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, the new one they said is uh is really good. I've got it's gotten really good reviews, so that's why I'm re-watching the omen to see so then I can watch the new one.
SPEAKER_00See, the these are the types of films that I can't watch. Like if I watch these like I don't sleep for the next like that's right.
SPEAKER_02The possession ones are really really bad on you because you can't do anything about it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it is. Yeah, yeah, my wife. I don't know. It just it just I don't like dealing with with that.
SPEAKER_01My wife won't watch those. Yeah, she won't watch those. You know what I think that uh I think the omen, I think that the omen kind of leads to uh the final destination movies. Oh because in the omen, everybody was killed, but by something that happened, right? Like circumstances that were set up, yeah. You know, just like um Final Destination. Yeah, yeah, where the you know, so I yeah, I always thought that was maybe an inspiration as far, you know, yeah, I think that kind of thing.
SPEAKER_00I now see I love the Final Destination films, like that was actually fun, right? Like I I enjoyed that take on it. Um but those things were huge when we were uh it's a big it's a big franchise, real popular.
SPEAKER_01Because uh people responded to it because it already worked on fears you already had.
SPEAKER_00You know, it's like being behind a a semi that's hauling you know, pipes or logs, logs, logs or whatever, right? And it's like wow, this thing could like come untied and destroy me, right? It's absolutely do that in that film.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the same with uh roller coasters, the same with airplanes, the same with gas grills, or uh you know, tanning beds, or LASIK eye surgery, or yeah, or all these things, you know.
SPEAKER_02John just rattled off every version, or like I think you went kind of in order there, one through four of the of the series.
SPEAKER_00Hit them in order, right there. Yeah. All right, John. We're at question number nine for you. Okay. In the Wishmaster series, the deckmaster series.
SPEAKER_01Okay, I'm just letting you know.
SPEAKER_00The Dingin is a hellbound genie. If you make a wish backwards, you die. In Wishmaster 2, Evil Never Dies. He is revived once again and wreaks havoc at the Las Vegas casinos this time around. One unlucky prisoner makes a wish backwards. The Dingin offers to him, how does he die in his cell?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00He walks into the genie's Go ahead. I know what this is, but go ahead. He walks into the genie's trap. He throws a cigarette on the floor, causing an explosion. He walks himself through the bars, or he shoots himself in the head. Yeah, he walks himself through the bars.
SPEAKER_01Um, I like I like this movie. I I mean, I I think I like it because I have a like Reggie Bannister. Um I've worked with him several times from the Phantasm movies, and he's in the first Wishmaster, and I think that's why I like it. But um the first, the first one, the second one's okay. The first one's pretty good. I'm I know the Wishmaster is kind of a minor franchise, you know. I mean it is, it's a minor franchise, but it's it's got its fans. It's got its fans, including me.
SPEAKER_00So, what is making a wish backwards mean? Like I wish to be out of the cell, so he just like goes through the bars or something, like you didn't set it up deep.
SPEAKER_01I don't know why it's I don't know why it's stated like that. The the he always tries to trick people. What he what he really tries to do is get people to To make a wish so he can manipulate it somehow.
SPEAKER_00Gotcha.
SPEAKER_01You know what I mean? Because that's that's always the fear of making wishes, right? If I don't word it correctly, well, I could end up with three heads or something.
SPEAKER_00You know what I mean? I want a million bucks, and all of a sudden I got a million male deer running around my property.
SPEAKER_03Right. You know, that kind of thing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, um, I th I think they're pretty clever. Um Robert Kurtzman made the first one, and that uh he's a he's a legend as far as like makeup effects goes. You know, this guy. He's done shh, I mean, just you can't even name him off. I mean, this dude's done a ton, ton of uh effects work on all these great movies. Another thing on the Wishmaster, what I was saying was that the the suit that they built for that character, the Wishmaster suit, is very similar to the suit they built for Jeepers Creepers for that creature. So I wonder if they referenced it to kind of build that that suit. And I kind of have an appreciation for these full body suits that they build for these characters. That's a lot of work. Yeah, you know, I couldn't work. One of my favorites is Tim Curry in uh legend when he played uh the devil. I don't know if you're familiar with with this. Oh, yeah, for sure. Man, that that is an awesome suit that they built for him. So or like Hellboy. I mean, that's pretty awesome. Yeah, you know, that's a lot of artistry goes into that.
SPEAKER_00What's wild about some of that is when you start uh I think it was was it Jim Carrey talking about the Grinch, maybe? Yeah, yeah. Uh, but like the emotional like damage that it does to the actor, like trying to put them in that for that many hours. I think uh who was it? Michael is it Mike, who's the Michael guy that played the thing in the original Michael Chickris, yeah, Fantastic Four. And he talked about the same thing, right? Like it was like mentally exhausting that he had to be like in this suit for 14 hours a day or whatever it was, you know.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna be comfortable. I remember the Jim Carrey thing about he he didn't think he was going to be able to complete the film because of the contact lenses they had to put in. He had such a hard time with the contact lenses. I guess they were very painful, you know, because they're the full scolera contacts that cover the entire eye. And I don't know if I'd want to put those in.
SPEAKER_00Is he the one, John, that he said that he did uh sessions with a like a navy seal on how to deal with torture?
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, I think you're right. I think I did read something like that. Yeah, because he couldn't he couldn't breathe either.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think he couldn't breathe out of his nose, too. So that was yeah, yeah. I just remember like he like they literally trained him how to like deal with torture to get through that whole movie, which is just wild to me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. It's uh it's a kind of a classic movie now, though, so I'm sure he's glad he did it. Unlike even go ahead. Go ahead. I was gonna say unlike Cat in the Hat, which is one of my least favorite that I've ever seen. Yeah, yeah. Uh in all my lifetimes. Um that, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Even even uh looking at George Clooney talking about I remember hearing an interview with him on some talk show, and he said that honestly, he's like, if if anybody were to wear this bat suit, they'd they'd get their butt kicked by a six-year-old because because I he's like, I can't move. I'm just sweating in it the whole time. Do you I think you were with me at the comic con where there was a guy in like a in a bat suit that looked pretty realistic, and he was in the he was in the bathroom just like wiping sweat off his face. You're in a rubber suit. What do you think? Just locking in all that sweat, miserable, miserable.
SPEAKER_00All right, Chad. We got question number nine. I I think I skipped you on nine. I think I went back to back with John here. So uh number nine for you in 1990, Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer was released based on Henry Lee Lucas. What movie released in 1992 was also about Lucas, but was much more graphic and disturbing. Confessions of a serial killer, deranged, diary of a madman, or body parts.
SPEAKER_02So body parts, I don't believe I don't believe is body parts, and I feel like I should I I haven't seen any of these, so that's what's gonna be my first body parts is something that I should have seen. Um I want to lean towards the first one, which was uh Confess or not Confessions of a Serial.
SPEAKER_00What was it what were the options again? Uh Confessions of a Serial Killer, Deranged, Diary of a Madman, and Body Parts.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Confessions of a Serial Killer, final answer. That is correct. Okay. John, do you know anything about body parts or this film?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Body Parts is a pretty cool movie. Jeff Fahi stars in it. Okay. Um and it's it's it's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so I feel like that's been on my on my list for a while, but I I I've never really needed an effort.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's pretty cool. Uh Brad Dorf's in it, who's a I love Brad Dorf. He's a great actor. I love that guy. You know, so yeah, it's it's it's a good movie.
SPEAKER_00All right, Chad, we're gonna go back to back. I'm gonna leave the last question for John. Let's do it. Uh, you actually get a little bit of a hint in this one, so it's not uh it's it's not necessarily fair, but you do get a little bit of a hint. I don't know if I need the hint though. I I have to give you the hint. Uh okay which well just because yeah, which sequel is fake? Leprechaun four in space, when a stranger calls back, hello Mary Lou, prom night to or my bloody valentine to Soul Miner's Daughter.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so I believe that Leprechaun 4 is real. Uh we know that that the third one is uh Mary Lou one is is true. Um so it's down to B and B and D. And B is the one that I don't think I don't remember a what was it when a Stranger Calls Back?
SPEAKER_00When a Stranger Calls Back. Okay. And then the last one is My Bloody Valentine 2, Soul Miner's Daughter.
SPEAKER_02Didn't you and I watch My Bloody Valentine at my house uh on like Valentine's Day or something like that? I think that was a 3D one.
SPEAKER_00I think you're right. Yeah, wasn't it out in like uh like an old like I don't remember outside area I guess?
SPEAKER_02I just remember it. I just think that that film was was was poor enough that they probably had a sequel to it. And it was in a soul miner's daughter just seems super cheesy, but it was right on top right on like and this is important. So I've got to think about this for a second, John. I apologize, but like this is important because like yeah, when a soul miner's daughter is like the the dumbest title I've ever when a soul miner daughter uh what is it again?
SPEAKER_00My bloody valentine's two Soul Miner's Daughter.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that is the dumbest title ever, but I feel like it fits it. So like I feel like that could be it. And when a stranger calls back is actually a really good title, but did that get a sequel? I'm gonna go with B. I'm gonna go with B as the fake one. Final answer?
SPEAKER_00Yes, it is incorrect. So it goes to John. You have a Leprechaun 4 in space.
SPEAKER_01I don't need that. All right, so if there was a movie called Soul Miner's Daughter, I think I would know it. I I think I would know it, and I do not do not know what that is. Although I do agree that's a great title, but I think that's what it is.
SPEAKER_02It's so dumb that I just thought that maybe it's like yeah, it was the 80s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It could have been. Okay, all right.
SPEAKER_00All right. Well, uh I can't win this one now. Yeah, you can't win, but you can have a redeeming fact here. So, you know, uh, if John gets number 10 wrong, you have a chance to steal. So you have that at least. Uh, and that could at least be a little bit of a you know, a little bit of a breath of fresh air here.
SPEAKER_02So you stacked the deck against John here with these obscure films, gave gave me home field advantage, and he still still whooped me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna go back to I have not heard of a single film on John's list. So we're just gonna throw that out there. Yeah. But uh number 10, the gimmick horror vision is used in this 1980s Gore Fest. This involves the screen swirling around. Next, a glove appears on the screen moving its fist around. This enables squeamish viewers the chance to bypass an upcoming scene. What film uses this gimmick? Neon Maniacs, Dream a Little Evil, Nightmare, or Boarding House.
SPEAKER_01Well, those are all great titles. Those are all great titles. Uh what was the second one? Dream a Little Evil. I like that one. Uh that's cool. Um, I know I know this one. This is the boarding house, or just boarding house. And um the gimmick thing is why I know it. Right? Because it was made in that era where people were trying to do gimmicks, right? It was like a every once am I right for one thing, am I right? You are correct. Yes.
SPEAKER_02So everyone, first off, okay, go ahead, John.
SPEAKER_01Go ahead and every every 25-30 years, something like that, the gimmick stuff comes back, right? It's like in the 50s when they were doing like smell orama, or you know what I mean, where you would scratch the appropriate smell or something, or the tingler where the seats were electrified, you know, and they got sued because someone died. I don't know, something like that. And then 3D was a gimmick back before that, you know, and stuff. So yeah, the the gimmick thing, it's it's not that this is a great movie because it's not, and I would stop short of saying it's a gore fest, but the the the whole thing about the the glove and all that stuff, that's just a marketing thing, like all these things are, you know. And I teach a lot of this stuff in class. It's one thing I cover is the the marketing angle of these things, you know. Um it's it's not a good movie.
SPEAKER_02Could you actually skip past it by using the glove? You can't really do that, can you?
SPEAKER_01No, it just it means you should turn away if you don't want to see. Oh, okay. All right. You know, it's yeah, it's yeah, it's uh it's a cheap looking movie, you know. Um it's it just it's something that you can do. So a couple things on that.
SPEAKER_02You mentioned you mentioned three. Sorry. Sorry, I you you you you cut out, so I jumped over you, I think. But uh no, the the uh uh a couple things from that. You talk about the 3D movies and the gimmick of that one. I feel like I feel like that has gone through waves, right? There was like there was nerds 3D, there was Jason or uh Friday the 13th 3D, and then there was a time in like the mid 2010s or something like that where they're like they're like, oh yeah, we're gonna get 3D TVs, and everybody's like, you know, you go to the theater and it's like do you want the 3D version or whatever? They're kind of cutting back on that, but that was a really annoying time too, because it's like this is a fad, let's get past it.
SPEAKER_01It is a fad. No one really likes. I mean, well, I'm not gonna say no one likes it. Some people really like it for certain films, you know. I'm not a big fan of it, you know. Um maybe like for Avatar or something like that, you know, where it's designed to be that way. That's kind of cool.
SPEAKER_00You know, my only issue with 3D that I've ran into is if you're watching the movie in non-3D, every time you can be like, that's a scene that they specifically did for 3D. Like you can always pick out, and it's the yeah, you know, something flying at the screen, and and it's and it's it becomes almost a distraction if you're not watching it in 3D. Like this scene doesn't make any sense.
SPEAKER_01It looks goofy without it. Um Friday 13th 3D is particularly full of that kind of thing, right? Yes, you know, so yeah, no.
SPEAKER_02Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember when I was a kid, there was a like I mentioned th Nerds 3D. Yeah, and I thought that they had like they did a TV version of this, like they played it on TV, and it was something where like you had like if you like it was a big deal, you know, because playing a movie like that on national TV was a big deal, but like you you had to go to like a gas station and get your 3D glasses ahead of it. Do you do you remember this marketing campaign or what? I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I don't really know a ton about it, but I just remember that this has been a long time ago. Um yeah, I think that's back when they were doing the red blue 3D. Yep, you know, that's exactly what it was for uh a lot of black and white movies were kind of transferred to that, you know, which was not great 3D, you know, let's be honest. You know, James Cameron revived it, he created a new type of 3D, you know, for Avatar, you know, the first one. And that's kind of where we're at with that, but uh they don't make enough money to warrant releasing everything on 3D, you know.
SPEAKER_00Um so Chad, you talked about getting your your glasses. I almost guarantee at that point in time it wasn't a gas station, you had to either buy a magazine or get it out of your Sunday paper. Like it's it's gotta it's gotta be stuck in some sort of like physical media at that point, right?
SPEAKER_02The reason yeah, but the reason I say that is because I feel like I went to Werco in Alito to get those glasses. If my mom's probably watching, gonna watch this.
SPEAKER_00You know, this is I I gotta get it in frame here, but that says John 2 Chad Zero. John didn't miss a question tonight.
SPEAKER_02He didn't miss a question, he didn't even miss my questions that I missed. It's wild. And and I just gotta take my hat off, John. You know, props, props. My goodness. My goodness. This this is fun though. I can't wait to do it again. I can't wait to do it again and get embarrassed by John again. The multiple choice thing helps.
SPEAKER_01Because it does, because some are obviously not it, you know. You can narrow things down pretty pretty easily, you know, except Harry Clanker. Which I understand why that one was hard. I'm like, I don't know. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, I totally agree. Uh but no, it's it's been a good good conversation with you, John. Uh I is there what what other type of movies you know, we talked a little bit about your your zombies or Clinton zombies, vampires, uh found footage. Yeah, is there anything else that uh really trips your trigger or anything like that that you you look for?
SPEAKER_01Well, I gotta say, I I really do like uh the giant monster movies, you know, um, particularly the new legendary Godzilla stuff. You know, I I was I was never like the hugest Godzilla fan until uh Legendary Pictures revived this run of them, you know. And I they're just so well done. You know, I I don't know, some people might not like them, but I I like them a lot.
SPEAKER_02When you say that though, like you're talking about the ones that are just coming out, like the uh Yeah, King of the Monsters, Kong, yeah, you know, all those, you know.
SPEAKER_01Um, I do like the because you know Godzilla was always a cautionary tale about uh nuclear war, nuclear power, yeah, you know, correct. But but not this time. This time they've developed this really kind of complicated history of the Titans, you know, which uh which is it's just kind of cool. Just kind of cool. Plus, it's mindless, you know. I think that's why I like it so much. Like uh Cloverfield or you know, in any of the giant monster movies I'm I'm on board with pretty much.
SPEAKER_00I tell you what, I I I think we talked about this maybe once before on this, but uh Godzilla minus one was incredible. Now they threw that back to like you know the the old at or yeah, atom bomb, you know, like making transform, right? And uh, which is uh I I thought it was absolutely incredible.
SPEAKER_02So John, you you on the like but didn't love move on that that one, right? Is am I right?
SPEAKER_01No, I didn't I I I I prefer Godzilla being more of a hero character and not the villain, you know. But that's that's just me. I know minus one was was great, you know, but I can't keep watching it over and over like I can watch the other movies over and over, you know. Yeah, but you gotta take your hat off to what that guy was able to do, you know. He did most of the effects work himself, you know, he wrote a really engaging script. I mean, he's got a he's got a career ahead of him, that guy. Yeah. We watched it in black and white and it was phenomenal. Oh, I bet that was good.
SPEAKER_02What was your favorite version of uh of uh of Godzilla? Like you know I know these new ones, but like is there a Godzilla movie from when you were younger that you really stuck out or anything like that?
SPEAKER_01Well, I the the mean the cool things about the Godzilla movies back in the day was who is he fighting? Correct? That's what I mean. The smog monster or whoever, you know, whatever a giant pile of pollution, you know. He was always fighting something that represented something, you know, bad in societies. So um I I was always a Rodin fan, to be honest. Okay, okay. You know, you know, I I don't know why. Maybe it's because I had the Rodan, I had the giant Rodin, plastic Rodin. I got it for Christmas one year, and so maybe that's why I like it so much. But I've always been a Rodan fan.
SPEAKER_02I I am a sucker for the I I think the one that I watched the most as a kid was uh was uh Godzilla and uh I don't remember even who he was fighting, but it was Jet Jaguar was his where he comes on and it saves him, and for some reason it was so cool that you had this robot I don't know if you call him a kaiju or whatever, and then Godzilla comes in and saves it watching. I watched it recently, and and it's it's really, really, really, really, really cheesy. But also like it just it it brought me back to that that time in my life and it made me feel good. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01The Godzilla movies went cheesy really fast.
SPEAKER_02They really did.
SPEAKER_01They really did because the first one wasn't meant to be that way, right? It was meant to be taken seriously, yeah. But after that, man, it was all hands on deck for you know, let's haul in the cheese. Yeah. Uh yeah, but I they're fun though. They're fun. Yep.
SPEAKER_00Well, John, I just want to say thank you again for uh for jumping on the uh on the podcast here and uh joining us on this once again, John versus Chad trivia showdown. It was uh it was a mighty battle.
SPEAKER_01It was fun. It was fun. Can I tell you one more thing about Godzilla before we wrap this up? Oh, yeah. Tell me one more thing about Godzilla. I've got a a nephew. His name's Cooper, uh great kid. I think he's like, I don't know, probably 20s now. He's autistic. And he loves Godzilla. That's his favorite thing. You know, seen all the Godzilla movies several times. And did you know that because of watching the Godzilla movies, he now is is almost fluent in Japanese. You're kidding me. Wow, yeah, he can speak in Japanese. He can he can actually have a conversation because that is watching the that is wild, yeah, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's the the the human mind is is wild in general, just like the way it's wired and the things that like the fact that we that that that capability is even possible is is amazing.
SPEAKER_00Like that's always saying like if you listen to a language long enough, right? Like you will start like picking up on what they're saying, you know. Sure, which I don't know if my brain works like that. I don't think I can mine doesn't. I know the third the 13th warrior, yeah, yeah. When you sit around the campfire, that's another thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_02That's another not great movie, but I loved it.
SPEAKER_01It's good, yeah. I like it too. Yeah, yeah. That's a good one. Man, I had a blast, guys. I love talking horror movies.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, me too. So here's here's here's the thing that we need to do. Okay, we need to have John back in here in February. Okay. All right. I'm picturing this in February. John comes back in here. We do another trivia, but it's straight rom coms. Or something that I feel that I might have an edge on John on there. Yeah. Just something that maybe I could beat John at, but like this is clearly not the category.
SPEAKER_01Well, I'm old, you know. That's all I'm you know. Um I do uh you know I try to keep up on things. If you ask me about move like horror movies of like the last 10 years, yeah, I probably wouldn't do that well, you know.
SPEAKER_00So uh I I need not to go obscure movies next time, I need to go to like recent horror movies. Yeah, I go to recent horror movies.
SPEAKER_01Um, I just don't have time to watch movies anymore almost at all. So yeah, I would be lost.
SPEAKER_02John, I think I've told you this already, but uh Talk to Me is my favorite horror movie that I've seen recently.
SPEAKER_01I was trying to tell my class, yep. I said, what is the name of that movie that is supposed to be so good?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's the name of it.
SPEAKER_01Talk to me. Okay, talk to me. Okay, I'll check it out. Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_00All right. Well, again, thank you, but uh let's uh let's wrap up. So uh the credits are rolling, the lights are coming on, and that's the end of the show. So, Chad, I have a story to tell you. Okay, I got you. It's about uh about tonight's trivia. Okay, but John and I pulled the wool over your eyes. Oh, John was blessed to every single question and answer long before this show started to hit record.
SPEAKER_03Oh no! You gave me the answers?
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, what when I talked to so so I gotta set this up, John. I called him after I sent you this message. I proposed this this thought process to John. I'm like, hey, I think it'd be funny to pull a really funny prank on Chad. And I'm gonna ask artist obscure answer questions, and then John, I called Chad and I told him that I stacked the deck against you, and there's no way you're gonna get any of these questions.
SPEAKER_02He told me that he was gonna give you. Here's what he said. He said he's gonna give you obscure movies, and I said, John's probably gonna know them anyway. Like he's probably gonna know them anyway. He didn't tell me what I was gonna get, but my God. Oh, they were pretty obscure. I told I told him I'm like, no, I had my eyes were rolling back in the in my head. I'm like, how did you know this?
SPEAKER_01Right. I told you. There were there were three I did not know on the list that he sent. There's three that I didn't know. Okay. Now I might have been able to guess because of the titles, you know, because some of them obviously aren't it, you know. But I do feel bad, but not really.
SPEAKER_00I do feel bad, but not really. This reaction right here, John, is exactly what I was shooting for. So this is absolutely wonderful, is watching Chad melt in despair right now.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I love it. I I was I was so impressed because it's like, yeah, I mean, like I thought like, yeah, yeah, this is wild. This is wild. Been had, been had.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. Well John, we pulled another off. Yeah, there was some subscure ones on here, but I did know some of these. Um I didn't know Giant Spider Invasion. Um, I didn't, I didn't know.
SPEAKER_02Well, when you came up with that one, it's like it's like giant spider invasion.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I probably I might have guessed it anyway, but yeah, I I had never heard of that. And there's this there's a few on here.
SPEAKER_02But yeah, I would have confidently stated they on that one. Like I was like, I'm if I get the steal on this one, I am confident that is they, but uh apparently that's an ant movie, and that's where I'm getting that from. Yeah, that's an ant movie.
SPEAKER_00There was gonna be no opportunity for steals. Yes, it's not a steal.
SPEAKER_02That's what I'm saying. I'm like, okay, the whole time. I'm like, just one slip-up, and I've got a I've got a 33.3 repeated chance of of getting us a steal at least.
SPEAKER_00I actually thought, John, on that last question, I thought you were gonna just throw one, throw one away just to get like just to throw the steal out there. I I thought he I thought he was gonna show a little mercy at one point in time, Chad.
SPEAKER_01No, the the last one I knew, so that was I wasn't gonna throw that one. Because that's the gimmick thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_02This is wild. Clint, this is probably your best work ever. Like, literally. Because I felt a little bad that, like, all right, we're gonna, we're gonna get John, or we're gonna give John really hard questions and and and me some some regular ones, you know what you say. And so it's like, all right, you know, I get that because John's, you know, whatever. And we'll we'll play it off and whatever, and we'll have fun with it. Uh, but but then we did, we we did play it off and had fun with it. But then it's like, it's like this is like an inception moment. There was a dream within a dream. There was a a joke within a joke, a trick within a trick. You got me.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I'm so happy it worked out. That was fantastic. Yeah, yeah. Well, good for me.
SPEAKER_01And that's it. I'm the winner. As usual. Okay, um, I guess we'll see you around next time. Uh, we're getting into the winter months, so the shows will be coming out a little bit more frequently since I'm not out shooting movies, which is my normal thing. Please stick with me. I've got lots of good stuff coming up. I will see you next time. Thanks, gang